Lesser Demons

Subject: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:06 pm

Ok, after reading the new rules and checking on other boards I cant seem to get a clear answer on this. Seems to be one of the first gray areas I can find. I am sure there will be more but here it is.

Can Summoned Lesser Demons form the Codex: Chaos Space Marines hold objectives (i.e. Scoring Units)?

I say yes they can, but seems there is some conflict because they dont actually take up a FOC Slot. But RAW seems to be clear that it is not a issue. Depends on how you define the word allowances I guess

The facts: (Matt edit if this is not allowed, not really sure may be to much info -- nah looks good - Matt)
Rule from 5th rulebook on holding objectives (pg.90) - An army's scoring units are all the units that come from its Troops allowance. Only doesn't count if: is a vehicle, has swarm rule, or specify that is not a scoring unit.

Rules from Codex: Chaos Space Marines (pg.102) - Units of Summoned Lesser Demons do not use up any force organization chart selection, but are otherwise treated as a Troop unit.

Let me know thoughts on this. If anyone else has seen a definitive answer on this post a link to it please.
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Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:32 pm

Anyone check the FAQ on this?

[EDIT] - Checked, and it doesn't look like it Sad

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Loss - 13 (Brice's Necrons wiped me)
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Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:22 pm

I didn't find it in any FAQ's I looked at...if you do find it link it so I can read please.

[EDIT] Ok I have read all the major forums and the consensus is a "YES" they are a scoring unit. Again the argument was that the dont take up a FOC slot, but rules as written have no indication that FOC is even a consideration in the equation...so until proven otherwise I am going to play it that way.
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40K Stats:
Eldar (3-1-1) W: D.T. Chaos @ Vassal (1:0 Control Points)
CM:Tzeentch (1-1-1) L: S.P. - S. Marines (Battle Report: J.G. - S. Marines)
CM:Khorne (2-1) L: M.L. - Blood Angels

Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:02 pm

I would definately count them as scoring! It says "troop choice" and nothing about whether it takes a slot in the FOC. Rules lawyers will probably argue this, but it's in black and white and until GW clarifies in a FAQ, count them as scoring.
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Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:12 pm

I'd play them scoring. CSMs need all the help they can muster.
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Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:39 pm

Subject: Re: Lesser Demons Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:12 am

I don't think it is clear, I would allow them to score but I can see where to problem is.

...will most likely stay a problem until it gets FAQ'd
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Dark Angels 1750 win/loss Record
Win - 22 (The Dark Angels wiped some silly pod marines)
Loss - 13 (Brice's Necrons wiped me)
Draw - 2 (The 13th hold out in alpha take and hold)

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