OG list building

Neophyte Joined : 16 May 2008 Posts : 18

If 2000 is your goal, lets look at some options. Orcs, get those blocks up to 25 if you can. I dont like shields on them at all. If you can change to 2 weapons or choppa/shield do it. The choppa rule makes spears stink as an option since you now get the HW/SH bonus and +1S round 1 of combat. I like 25 since you really need #s and light armor wont stop much. Plus you have some nifty items that relate to your rank bonus.

40 gobbos. not a terrible option, but I like more units. Id make 2 units of 20. I run 1x30 and 1x20 myself, but each of those has a different role. I really not sold on fanatics. Ive played orcs for 6yrs and they just dont pay off. They may your throw away unit of gobbos cost more than double if you put 3 fanatics in. Id put 0-1 per unit. 1 keeps your enemy honest and the unit cheap. Spears again are not worth it in my opinion. on small units no command or only a musician. remember these dont panic orcs and you want them out baiting or redirecting the enemy into a spot your orcs and get at them.

spiders are great units. Id take 2x5. fast cav dont get rank bonus and your units just dont fight that well. these are expendable support units to drive your enemy crazy till your hitters can finish him.

wolf riders. ditto to above. i dont even take spears anymore. no upgrades maybe a musician. again, these are throwaways to keep your enemy off balance and threaten warmachines. even if you dont kill the machine, every turn in combat with it means its not firing.

Arrers. I like a block of 10 on occasion. I dont use them often, but they seem to do ok. 10 gives you a nice support unit for which shooting is a bonus, but not primiary. Think of them as a flanker, bait, redirect unit that can sometimes shoot. Still have choppas and fight well. take them if you need to fill points up. otherwise Ive converted many of mine to regular orcs or even bullies.

black orcs. i just dont like them. they die to shooting just as easy as orcs and will be your enemys primary target. they are more than double the cost of an orc and frankly you can do more with 2-3 units of orcs than 1 unit of black orcs. They fight pretty good, but thats only if they can get there in 1 piece, often whats left isnt combat effective.

squig herds drive me crazy. I think they should work ok, but mine dont do so well. take them and figure them out better than I did. personally, for my special choices, its chariots. they take care of all that always strike first nonsence and Ive never seen a unit of swordmasters win vs 2 orc chariots in their face. I do take hoppers and chuckas. I really love orc chariots with extra crew.

Lobbas. I hate them. great model. but you miss all the time. if you can see the enemy (harder than you think with a horde army moving across the firing lanes) then you have to guess well, and not scatter or misfire. Id convert it into a doom diver and free up the special slot for chariots, hoppers or a small boar unit.

chuckas. I love them. almost manditory with all the big nasty monsters these days. I take 4 on occasion.

Giant is always good for a laugh. try to use terrain to keep him from getting shot to pieces.

trolls are fun. you have to baby sit them, but they are ok. I sometimes put a BSB on a boar with warbanner in the unit. gives them some leadship and static combat resolution.

ill get to more later, got to run.

Core:
20 Orc boyz w/ 2 choppas full command
20 Orc boys w/ spear and Shield Full command
40 night goblins w/ spear and shield, command, netters, 3 fanatics.
10 Spiders command
10 wolf riders bows command
16 Arrer boys

Special: (0 to 4)
12 Black Orcs Command
2 Squig Herds
1 Rock Lobba
2 Spear Chukkas

Rare:
Giant
3 Trolls

about (1850 in pts).

Characters - I have the following generics

Orc on Boar choppa/shield
Black Orc Champion (2 choppas)
Night Goblin Shamman
Goblin Champion (2 Choppas)
Warboss on Wyvern

Subject: Re: OG list building Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:06 pm

Thanks Jeff.

I've already incorporated a couple changes.

Up'd the Spear chukkas to 2. dropped the goblins to 30. Also went the a Big boss on boar from the trolls.

I'll see how she does.
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Neophyte Joined : 16 May 2008 Posts : 18

The problem with the Battle Standard Bearer with trolls is Im now in love with the bsb toting the dispel dice banner, so hes got to go in a unit. Ive run that and either no shamans or 1 with 2 scrolls and done pretty well.

Id take 1,2 trolls or 4. 3 isnt enough attacks. 1 is good for diverting and holding things up. 2 is maneuverable and can break ranks and redirect. can hit a unit head on and might win.

Savage orcs are liked because the extra attack is good, but also they are immune to psych. so one of the things that will reliably charge scarey things if they dont squabble. Savage orc big un boar boyz hit like a ton of bricks, if you can keep them alive and charging the right targets. frenzy can easily work against you if your opponent has some throw away units.

Squabble will kill you. welcome to O&G and the reason people dont like to take them to tourneys. They can do well for the most part, but there will bet a few times, and probably 1 game where animosity kills you. either the squabble or the unit surging out unsupported. If you have a good gaming attitude, orcs are fun. If youre very competitive, youre playing against the opponent, your rulebook, your dice, and the better books that came out after yours! They are an excercise in frustration at times.

Characters. I love BO characters. I dont typically take special characters as they are expensive and often have a liability Grimgore forces you to take BO and he on foot. so hes not all that hard to avoid and just shoot up his unit to pieces. If your enemy is dumb enough to engage then hes a wrecking ball in combat. I usually put my BOs on a boar. the armor save helps and you can move quickly to units that are about to get stuck in. BSB if you take a magic banner has only heavy armor, so on a pig it helps and again he can move faster.

I think the wyvern can be fun. I used one all summer and thought it became a crutch. Hes pretty darn good with akrit axe, kickin boots, enchanted shield and boss at. thats 5 s6 attacks with reroll misses, 3+ armor save and 5+ ward. then the 3 s6 wyvern attacks. problem is he usually is not near your units and cant lend his L9 easily to those other units. This is critical vs a fear causing enemy.

I saw one guy run a Night gobbo on a giant squig with the pipes of doom. hopped out and blew it to panic all enemy cav within 24". cave squig is fun but not very competitive/reliable for games that count. gobbos on wolves or chariots are more hitty and fast.

Ive never been a magic heavy person, but orc magic has some great spells. move spells, rerolls, strike 1st, decent missles. its all in there. Id never put a shaman on a wyvern though. you cant protect him very well and he doesnt fight very well. savage shamans are bad too. you dont want your wizard having to charge anything.

Anyway, I hope that helps. Jeff